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	<title>Comments on: also, i hate men, don&#8217;t really want equality, and should be grateful for the scraps i&#8217;m given from patriarchy&#8217;s table</title>
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	<description>because women are people, too</description>
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		<title>By: F. &#171; Scribblings with Green Chalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. &#171; Scribblings with Green Chalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps in a parallel world, where all the edges are smoother and everyone&#8217;s benevolent, this is merely a question of perspective: there is no problem when so many people don&#8217;t see it. Here and now, I conceive of this as a blind spot blotting out the view. The struggle for gender equality began to seem so familiar that it ceased to be treated seriously. Instead, it became common to approach it as a fad. Moreover, as a fad that is long passé. It&#8217;s in that smirk followed by &#8220;so you&#8217;re a feminist,&#8221; in all the nonsensical debates about &#8216;militant feminism.&#8217; What those debates truly are about is best explained here and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Perhaps in a parallel world, where all the edges are smoother and everyone&#8217;s benevolent, this is merely a question of perspective: there is no problem when so many people don&#8217;t see it. Here and now, I conceive of this as a blind spot blotting out the view. The struggle for gender equality began to seem so familiar that it ceased to be treated seriously. Instead, it became common to approach it as a fad. Moreover, as a fad that is long passé. It&#8217;s in that smirk followed by &#8220;so you&#8217;re a feminist,&#8221; in all the nonsensical debates about &#8216;militant feminism.&#8217; What those debates truly are about is best explained here and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When women are ignored as people, it's not too difficult to be accused of hating men when women criticize them for that negligence.

But, what men don't know about women's bodies would fill encyclopedias. It's possible women can't really know men's bodies either. But let's face it, women's bodies are more complex, as are their needs.

Nearly every activity known to man, men and women do differently because of gender, including thinking.

Certainly body dynamics requires different approaches for women than for men since the strength women have is not as uniformly distributed as is male strength. Hence, trainers for women must have a variety of different concerns. Women cannot be treated as men.

If the ergonomics world tells us anything, it is that women's seating should be different: that why they make men's chairs, and ladies chairs - for the comfort and convenience of each.

Just as clothing is not expected to be one size fits all, so nothing else can be designed to be a one size fits all. But, too often the world is approached as if men counted and women don't, ignoring the golden opportunities for productivity that works because needs are different.

The decision, therefore, to ignore women is little more than a foreclosure of all possible marketing and production capabilities in design for women. There is a reason small cars are driven mostly by women, known to be smaller than men.

Women have had to adapt to a male oriented world for so long they don't know how to care for themselves sufficiently to demand a world also made for women. Isn't it about time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When women are ignored as people, it&#8217;s not too difficult to be accused of hating men when women criticize them for that negligence.</p>
<p>But, what men don&#8217;t know about women&#8217;s bodies would fill encyclopedias. It&#8217;s possible women can&#8217;t really know men&#8217;s bodies either. But let&#8217;s face it, women&#8217;s bodies are more complex, as are their needs.</p>
<p>Nearly every activity known to man, men and women do differently because of gender, including thinking.</p>
<p>Certainly body dynamics requires different approaches for women than for men since the strength women have is not as uniformly distributed as is male strength. Hence, trainers for women must have a variety of different concerns. Women cannot be treated as men.</p>
<p>If the ergonomics world tells us anything, it is that women&#8217;s seating should be different: that why they make men&#8217;s chairs, and ladies chairs - for the comfort and convenience of each.</p>
<p>Just as clothing is not expected to be one size fits all, so nothing else can be designed to be a one size fits all. But, too often the world is approached as if men counted and women don&#8217;t, ignoring the golden opportunities for productivity that works because needs are different.</p>
<p>The decision, therefore, to ignore women is little more than a foreclosure of all possible marketing and production capabilities in design for women. There is a reason small cars are driven mostly by women, known to be smaller than men.</p>
<p>Women have had to adapt to a male oriented world for so long they don&#8217;t know how to care for themselves sufficiently to demand a world also made for women. Isn&#8217;t it about time?</p>
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		<title>By: littleherron</title>
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		<dc:creator>littleherron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post rocks... so hard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post rocks&#8230; so hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Feminism Friday - anti-feminist trolling and responses to such &#171; Thinking Girl</title>
		<link>http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/03/14/also-i-hate-men-dont-really-want-equality-and-sohuld-be-grateful-for-the-scraps-im-given-from-patriarchys-table/#comment-28679</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminism Friday - anti-feminist trolling and responses to such &#171; Thinking Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just don&#8217;t comprehend, and so on and so on. I responded a bit to these general comments here, here, here and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just don&#8217;t comprehend, and so on and so on. I responded a bit to these general comments here, here, here and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: isn&#8217;t that sweet? &#171; Thinking Girl</title>
		<link>http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/03/14/also-i-hate-men-dont-really-want-equality-and-sohuld-be-grateful-for-the-scraps-im-given-from-patriarchys-table/#comment-27935</link>
		<dc:creator>isn&#8217;t that sweet? &#171; Thinking Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t that&#160;sweet?  Jump to Comments A comment from vimi, whoever the fuck he is, on this post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] isn&#8217;t that&nbsp;sweet?  Jump to Comments A comment from vimi, whoever the fuck he is, on this post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thinking girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>thinking girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 12:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Johanna&lt;/b&gt; - thanks for your comment, although I was a bit puzzled by it.... 

I guess, for me, feminist is about &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; being treated by others "as a woman" instead of "as a person" - recognizing that everyone is different, and that the generalizations about "women as a group" are damaging to individual women. So, while I understand and absolutely condone the attitude that "men are sexism suspects until proven innocent," ultimately treating individual men as a group does the same thing as feminists hate about the treatment of women. 

Also, for me, ultimately, I am heterosexual. So I've gotta reconcile my desire for and love for particular individual men with all of this, at some point.

does that help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Johanna</b> - thanks for your comment, although I was a bit puzzled by it&#8230;. </p>
<p>I guess, for me, feminist is about <i>not</i> being treated by others &#8220;as a woman&#8221; instead of &#8220;as a person&#8221; - recognizing that everyone is different, and that the generalizations about &#8220;women as a group&#8221; are damaging to individual women. So, while I understand and absolutely condone the attitude that &#8220;men are sexism suspects until proven innocent,&#8221; ultimately treating individual men as a group does the same thing as feminists hate about the treatment of women. </p>
<p>Also, for me, ultimately, I am heterosexual. So I&#8217;ve gotta reconcile my desire for and love for particular individual men with all of this, at some point.</p>
<p>does that help?</p>
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