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		<title>By: The Keeping and Feeding of Trolls (or not) &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog</title>
		<link>http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/feminism-friday-anti-feminist-trolling-and-responses-to-such/#comment-37983</link>
		<dc:creator>The Keeping and Feeding of Trolls (or not) &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FemSoc66</title>
		<link>http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/feminism-friday-anti-feminist-trolling-and-responses-to-such/#comment-30903</link>
		<dc:creator>FemSoc66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also applaud and admire this response, TG. I think I've read it through about four times now. I usually don't have the patience or articulation skills to deal with these types of guys on or offline, but you've inspired me to make more of an effort.
I guess if we do challenge the patriarchy every time we find it in our faces then it has to help in the long run.

Defenestrated: " I can't even get away with saying I'm a lesbian any more".

I'm bisexual, and in my own experience, men can't seem to get their heads around the fact that if I'm involved with a woman, then they're not still included in some way. Because in their own minds, it's still all about them! We're only doing it to cater to their little fantasy.
Argh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also applaud and admire this response, TG. I think I&#8217;ve read it through about four times now. I usually don&#8217;t have the patience or articulation skills to deal with these types of guys on or offline, but you&#8217;ve inspired me to make more of an effort.<br />
I guess if we do challenge the patriarchy every time we find it in our faces then it has to help in the long run.</p>
<p>Defenestrated: &#8221; I can&#8217;t even get away with saying I&#8217;m a lesbian any more&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m bisexual, and in my own experience, men can&#8217;t seem to get their heads around the fact that if I&#8217;m involved with a woman, then they&#8217;re not still included in some way. Because in their own minds, it&#8217;s still all about them! We&#8217;re only doing it to cater to their little fantasy.<br />
Argh!</p>
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		<title>By: defenestrated</title>
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		<dc:creator>defenestrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how I wish being a feminist were enough to get &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; the internet or the "real life" trolls to stay away.  I've even tried just saying "I hate men," and I still get the question - "So does that mean you're taken?"  I can't even get away with pretending to be a lesbian anymore - so ridiculous has this supposed "Lonely Menz Movement" become.

In all honesty, I think that the blogname "Feminist Critics" itself is pretty much synonymous with "human troll."  I mean, why start a whole damn blog about how sad and lonely you are unless it's &lt;i&gt;your own damn issue&lt;/i&gt;, mens?

(I'm so very tempted to link back to either the &lt;b&gt;Alas&lt;/b&gt; Nice Guy™ thread or &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; biglongass PUA thread, TG...but I'll refrain just this once! Thank you for posting on this, in short.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how I wish being a feminist were enough to get <i>either</i> the internet or the &#8220;real life&#8221; trolls to stay away.  I&#8217;ve even tried just saying &#8220;I hate men,&#8221; and I still get the question - &#8220;So does that mean you&#8217;re taken?&#8221;  I can&#8217;t even get away with pretending to be a lesbian anymore - so ridiculous has this supposed &#8220;Lonely Menz Movement&#8221; become.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I think that the blogname &#8220;Feminist Critics&#8221; itself is pretty much synonymous with &#8220;human troll.&#8221;  I mean, why start a whole damn blog about how sad and lonely you are unless it&#8217;s <i>your own damn issue</i>, mens?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m so very tempted to link back to either the <b>Alas</b> Nice Guy™ thread or <b>your</b> biglongass PUA thread, TG&#8230;but I&#8217;ll refrain just this once! Thank you for posting on this, in short.)</p>
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		<title>By: HommeImpossible</title>
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		<dc:creator>HommeImpossible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TG, I have to entirely agree with you when you claim that these 'trolls' are indeed merely fearful of a change in the social order, that in fact, they are complacent in their unwavering belief in the plenitude of a stagnant society.

However, I also do believe that the male/female dichotomy is not possible to entirely eradicate, and there are bound to be limits to how many differences that can be breached and how deep the understanding between both genders. Hence, a feminist vocally proclaiming equal rights (and it must be admitted that most do it rather vehemently and with much aggression) will tend to put men on the defensive. A majority of men are in fact subconsciously insecure about their social roles and the measure of their authority. Therefore, it is understandable how many of them are inclined to blame feminist leaders. Not to mention the fact that some feminists have a tendency to bring their beliefs to an extreme and extremity is something which is irreconcilable. Yet, in actual fact, many feminists are not advocating 'hate' but 'equality', but men tend to generalize and view these theory as a threat.

Unfortunate as it is, for if these men are able to accept the idea of a more equal society, they will be able to perceive how the feminist leaders have done so much for the women across the globe. I think that this inability to accept stems from personal insecurity of men. 

Anyway, the idea of birth control for men sounds fantastic. It's about time they start getting worried about planting their seeds all over. I for sure know that I'm getting tired of this responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TG, I have to entirely agree with you when you claim that these &#8216;trolls&#8217; are indeed merely fearful of a change in the social order, that in fact, they are complacent in their unwavering belief in the plenitude of a stagnant society.</p>
<p>However, I also do believe that the male/female dichotomy is not possible to entirely eradicate, and there are bound to be limits to how many differences that can be breached and how deep the understanding between both genders. Hence, a feminist vocally proclaiming equal rights (and it must be admitted that most do it rather vehemently and with much aggression) will tend to put men on the defensive. A majority of men are in fact subconsciously insecure about their social roles and the measure of their authority. Therefore, it is understandable how many of them are inclined to blame feminist leaders. Not to mention the fact that some feminists have a tendency to bring their beliefs to an extreme and extremity is something which is irreconcilable. Yet, in actual fact, many feminists are not advocating &#8216;hate&#8217; but &#8216;equality&#8217;, but men tend to generalize and view these theory as a threat.</p>
<p>Unfortunate as it is, for if these men are able to accept the idea of a more equal society, they will be able to perceive how the feminist leaders have done so much for the women across the globe. I think that this inability to accept stems from personal insecurity of men. </p>
<p>Anyway, the idea of birth control for men sounds fantastic. It&#8217;s about time they start getting worried about planting their seeds all over. I for sure know that I&#8217;m getting tired of this responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: waswisgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>waswisgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TG
I regularly participate in the Gender and Women's Studies forum in Yahoo Answers, and was looking for articles about trolling, since the anti-feminists and women-haters have been particularly active of late. I found your excellent article about anti-feminist trolling and I want to thank you for writing it, it has reassured me, since it can be extremely ugly dealing with trolls. 

A group of us have tried to create a separate Yahoo feminist group a couple of times to get away from the trolls, and they twice "infiltrated" the group, used personal information about us from the group(such as our emails, real names, and personal information that we shared with each other) in Yahoo Answers to harass and stalk us. A couple of the trolls actually have threatened some of us with violence in the Yahoo Answers forum itself. Yahoo Answers have done better at deleting troll questions and answers, but the trolls create multiple accounts and flood the forum with dozens of stupid, insulting, or hateful questions.

Thanks for you list of links about trolling, I actually had found one of them right before finding your wonderful blog, the "Searching for Safety Online: Managing "Trolling" in a Feminist Forum" article, and had posted it's link as a question in our forum, asking other feminists if we could use some of the article's suggestions in our forum. I'll check out your other links as well, I've bookmarked all of them!

FYI, for those that may have missed the links, here's the link to the article I just referred to: 
http://rkcsi.indiana.edu/archive/CSI/WP/WP02-03B.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TG<br />
I regularly participate in the Gender and Women&#8217;s Studies forum in Yahoo Answers, and was looking for articles about trolling, since the anti-feminists and women-haters have been particularly active of late. I found your excellent article about anti-feminist trolling and I want to thank you for writing it, it has reassured me, since it can be extremely ugly dealing with trolls. </p>
<p>A group of us have tried to create a separate Yahoo feminist group a couple of times to get away from the trolls, and they twice &#8220;infiltrated&#8221; the group, used personal information about us from the group(such as our emails, real names, and personal information that we shared with each other) in Yahoo Answers to harass and stalk us. A couple of the trolls actually have threatened some of us with violence in the Yahoo Answers forum itself. Yahoo Answers have done better at deleting troll questions and answers, but the trolls create multiple accounts and flood the forum with dozens of stupid, insulting, or hateful questions.</p>
<p>Thanks for you list of links about trolling, I actually had found one of them right before finding your wonderful blog, the &#8220;Searching for Safety Online: Managing &#8220;Trolling&#8221; in a Feminist Forum&#8221; article, and had posted it&#8217;s link as a question in our forum, asking other feminists if we could use some of the article&#8217;s suggestions in our forum. I&#8217;ll check out your other links as well, I&#8217;ve bookmarked all of them!</p>
<p>FYI, for those that may have missed the links, here&#8217;s the link to the article I just referred to:<br />
<a href="http://rkcsi.indiana.edu/archive/CSI/WP/WP02-03B.html" rel="nofollow">http://rkcsi.indiana.edu/archive/CSI/WP/WP02-03B.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: thinking girl</title>
		<link>http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/feminism-friday-anti-feminist-trolling-and-responses-to-such/#comment-29265</link>
		<dc:creator>thinking girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a friend emailed me &lt;a href="http://ladyfest-ro.pimienta.org/weblog/?p=386" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; today - a compilation of excellent articles on trolling. please do go and visit, and check each of the links, because they're great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a friend emailed me <a href="http://ladyfest-ro.pimienta.org/weblog/?p=386" rel="nofollow">this</a> today - a compilation of excellent articles on trolling. please do go and visit, and check each of the links, because they&#8217;re great.</p>
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